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		<title>Comment on Art and Family Life: Can a Creative Career Survive Marriage and Children? by Marie Jagodnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Jagodnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 04:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milena, Thank you for sharing your thoughts on Boyce&#039;s reflections.  This is the stuff of our life&#039;s focus.  A friend of mine who never had children was asked why he never did have a family.  His answer, as a wholistic practioner and teacher, was that he could do more good for people without &quot;being a householder&quot;.  That got me thinking about my own commitments that I made so long ago.  They have not changed.  I have no regrets about becoming a &quot;householder&quot; and tending to my family over all these years.  There is enrichment and room for artistic expression, I believe, in any lifestyle.  And, whichever lifestyle we are in and whoever inhabits &quot;our space&quot; will be that very instrument serving our potential for further growth and maturity.  And, without forgetting our Reason for Being, we can still make good use of the gift of our short lives.  Sincerely yours,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milena, Thank you for sharing your thoughts on Boyce&#8217;s reflections.  This is the stuff of our life&#8217;s focus.  A friend of mine who never had children was asked why he never did have a family.  His answer, as a wholistic practioner and teacher, was that he could do more good for people without &#8220;being a householder&#8221;.  That got me thinking about my own commitments that I made so long ago.  They have not changed.  I have no regrets about becoming a &#8220;householder&#8221; and tending to my family over all these years.  There is enrichment and room for artistic expression, I believe, in any lifestyle.  And, whichever lifestyle we are in and whoever inhabits &#8220;our space&#8221; will be that very instrument serving our potential for further growth and maturity.  And, without forgetting our Reason for Being, we can still make good use of the gift of our short lives.  Sincerely yours,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Family Life: Can a Creative Career Survive Marriage and Children? by Jamie Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Shirley Verrett&#039;s autobiography? I think it&#039;s called &quot;I never Walked Alone&quot; (a title that basically sums up what you just wrote about.) She used to talk about family vs. career all the time when I studied with her. She made it work! She made it work with flying colors. She&#039;s an amazing woman that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Shirley Verrett&#8217;s autobiography? I think it&#8217;s called &#8220;I never Walked Alone&#8221; (a title that basically sums up what you just wrote about.) She used to talk about family vs. career all the time when I studied with her. She made it work! She made it work with flying colors. She&#8217;s an amazing woman that one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Family Life: Can a Creative Career Survive Marriage and Children? by Hubert "GAM" Sawyers III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hubert "GAM" Sawyers III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, this hits home. I contemplate what today feels like my &quot;impending doom&quot; of having a child. At the moment, I have so many reservations. It is really hard to gain any sort of resolve on the matter. I feel like I was meant to do a certain something in life that would prevent me from being an awesome father/daddy/papa/papi. The thing is, I haven&#039;t figured out what that certain something is yet.

I imagine this life test (i.e. &quot;you can get with this or you can get with that&quot;) fields different results depending on gender. It bothers me that a deep schism may exist in my marriage if a consensus is not had on whether we are going to have kids. Worst yet, it will probably be me looking like the a$$hole, because everybody loves babies!

Thanks for sharing this, Milena. This definitely helped me get some perspective on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, this hits home. I contemplate what today feels like my &#8220;impending doom&#8221; of having a child. At the moment, I have so many reservations. It is really hard to gain any sort of resolve on the matter. I feel like I was meant to do a certain something in life that would prevent me from being an awesome father/daddy/papa/papi. The thing is, I haven&#8217;t figured out what that certain something is yet.</p>
<p>I imagine this life test (i.e. &#8220;you can get with this or you can get with that&#8221;) fields different results depending on gender. It bothers me that a deep schism may exist in my marriage if a consensus is not had on whether we are going to have kids. Worst yet, it will probably be me looking like the a$$hole, because everybody loves babies!</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this, Milena. This definitely helped me get some perspective on this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Family Life: Can a Creative Career Survive Marriage and Children? by Ian David Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian David Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I often give you a hard time, Milena, but this was beautiful. My condolences on the passing of your father, and congratulations (almost!) on the addition to the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I often give you a hard time, Milena, but this was beautiful. My condolences on the passing of your father, and congratulations (almost!) on the addition to the family.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Family Life: Can a Creative Career Survive Marriage and Children? by Jen Gresham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Gresham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely.  I have come to the same conclusion--all the success in the world is not worth the family sacrifice the success would entail.  And as Boyce points you, sometimes meandering can be exactly the thing you need (I love the quote, &quot;Surely the real trick is to produce the work you never imagined.&quot;  Be prepared that motherhood may put your professional singing on hold for while, but your child will never be more appreciative of his lullabies.  All the best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely.  I have come to the same conclusion&#8211;all the success in the world is not worth the family sacrifice the success would entail.  And as Boyce points you, sometimes meandering can be exactly the thing you need (I love the quote, &#8220;Surely the real trick is to produce the work you never imagined.&#8221;  Be prepared that motherhood may put your professional singing on hold for while, but your child will never be more appreciative of his lullabies.  All the best!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Airwaves: The Economics of Broadcasting, Music, and Advertising by testudo liberalis</title>
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		<dc:creator>testudo liberalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

You ask,

&quot;Does Reidel explain in more detail why getting rid of anti-payola laws would help “everyone but the most lucrative performers” get chart action that they’re not currently receiving?&quot;

The link to the article is in the post, so you can check. Here it is again:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/fellows_papers/pdf/Reidel_35.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>You ask,</p>
<p>&#8220;Does Reidel explain in more detail why getting rid of anti-payola laws would help “everyone but the most lucrative performers” get chart action that they’re not currently receiving?&#8221;</p>
<p>The link to the article is in the post, so you can check. Here it is again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/fellows_papers/pdf/Reidel_35.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/fellows_papers/pdf/Reidel_35.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Airwaves: The Economics of Broadcasting, Music, and Advertising by Ian David Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian David Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Reidel explain in more detail why getting rid of anti-payola laws would help &quot;everyone but the most lucrative performers&quot; get chart action that they&#039;re not currently receiving? The assumption seems to be that the &quot;lucrative performers&quot; would be the ones charging the most for the rights to their music. But that&#039;s not what we saw in the past; it was major labels who engaged in payola on behalf of their clients at the expense of more obscure (and arguably better) musicians. Why wouldn&#039;t the &quot;lucrative performers&quot; have an incentive to invest some of their earnings back at the system so as to shut out competition and prevent new artists from making them yesterday&#039;s news? And the auction suggestion also makes the assumption that &quot;less lucrative&quot; performers have money to throw the radio stations to get a foot in the door (or on the air). Ironically, his proposed system would seem to turn the radio station&#039;s entire programming schedule over to advertisers - the musical advertisers, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Reidel explain in more detail why getting rid of anti-payola laws would help &#8220;everyone but the most lucrative performers&#8221; get chart action that they&#8217;re not currently receiving? The assumption seems to be that the &#8220;lucrative performers&#8221; would be the ones charging the most for the rights to their music. But that&#8217;s not what we saw in the past; it was major labels who engaged in payola on behalf of their clients at the expense of more obscure (and arguably better) musicians. Why wouldn&#8217;t the &#8220;lucrative performers&#8221; have an incentive to invest some of their earnings back at the system so as to shut out competition and prevent new artists from making them yesterday&#8217;s news? And the auction suggestion also makes the assumption that &#8220;less lucrative&#8221; performers have money to throw the radio stations to get a foot in the door (or on the air). Ironically, his proposed system would seem to turn the radio station&#8217;s entire programming schedule over to advertisers &#8211; the musical advertisers, that is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art and Airwaves: The Economics of Broadcasting, Music, and Advertising by Ty Unglebower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty Unglebower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent piece on another excellent piece. You have boiled down the essentials of the situation here, and have made it more accessible for others not as well versed in the subject.

And I agree with the content. So called &quot;terrestrial&quot; radio is now almost an unbearable mix of constant commercials, and 40 or so heavily rotated &quot;hits&quot; that I have to believe are decided more by corporate boards than by the actual popularity of the piece among listening public.

And even if songs are popular among the people, there is little to no chance of anyone outside of Disney Bubblegum pop to emerge into any kind of stardom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent piece on another excellent piece. You have boiled down the essentials of the situation here, and have made it more accessible for others not as well versed in the subject.</p>
<p>And I agree with the content. So called &#8220;terrestrial&#8221; radio is now almost an unbearable mix of constant commercials, and 40 or so heavily rotated &#8220;hits&#8221; that I have to believe are decided more by corporate boards than by the actual popularity of the piece among listening public.</p>
<p>And even if songs are popular among the people, there is little to no chance of anyone outside of Disney Bubblegum pop to emerge into any kind of stardom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making a Profit in Music: The Mick Jagger Meme and More by Art and Airwaves: The Economics of Broadcasting, Music, and Advertising &#124; Art and Avarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art and Airwaves: The Economics of Broadcasting, Music, and Advertising &#124; Art and Avarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] music labels have sub-par talent that is appealing mostly to tweens worldwide? Do you believe, as Mick Jagger does, that making money in music was just a passing fancy for about 40 years and that the Internet, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Arts Labor Markets: An Informal Case Study by Aaron Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very late to this party, so if anybody is still around and interested...

I work in a large classical music nonprofit org in a large city, in the finance department. And I have an MBA that included a very strong grounding in economic theory, from a school that demands rigorous empirical testing of theory (despite a reputation to the contrary). At my arts org, we have lots of unpaid interns, and the current situation is that it is nearly impossible to get a programming or artistic job, even entry level, without starting as an unpaid intern. We could probably afford to pay a couple interns, but not as many as we have (I&#039;m the budget guy, I know this).

The person who might benefit from this legislation would be a person like I was when I graduated from college. Someone with pre-existing clerical skills, a degree in theater, therefore knowledge of the art, and heaping mounds of student loan debt. I was situationally poor then, and ended up going into temp office work that bored me to tears, which led to an accounting job and eventually an MBA and back into arts administration in the finance side rather than the creative side. So I&#039;m not exactly fulfilled, and would have appreciated a minimum wage internship in the artistic or dramaturgy department of a theater, but I will survive. And I was forced to develop other skills that are potentially more lucrative than my current job.

The person who would not as likely be helped is the person who is systemically poor. Somebody who is poor because of urban blight, rural blight, or racism and had little chance to go to college (or at least a good one). No music education, therefore no internship at my organization (paid or unpaid). Going farther back, the person who is systemically poor had very few opportunities to study music intensely as a child, and it probably won&#039;t be a surprise when I say that most of our administrators did. If you never studied music as a child, you certainly didn&#039;t major in music if you got to college.

So, who is the legislation supposed to help? I hope it would be intended to help the systemically poor person. But the thing is, it can&#039;t. If you want to increase access for the systemically poor, then you have to work on systemic issues. You have to help improve their arts education, their parents&#039; involvement, their access to top college programs... This minimum wage floor isn&#039;t going to help. It&#039;s too little, too late. Maybe a few extraordinary people from such a background would be helped, but you can&#039;t set policy for the extraordinary. And if the legislature is actually designed to help people like me who left college with too much debt to pursue the unpaid internship... well, I guess I could have said thank you. But in the end, there is probably more utility to society in my learning other skills.

There is one possibility, hinted at in one of Mr. Moss&#039; comments, that organizations would see paid internships as an opportunity to fill their diversity hiring goals. That could be. And you only have to be a tiny bit cynical to perceive that if you use your lowest paid, least responsible positions as a relief valve for institutional diversity goals, you are actually doing a great disservice to yourself, your diversity goals, and the people you bring in as your token diverse individuals. Assuming race is one diversity vector here, this actually would reinforce institutional inferiority of people of color. There&#039;s a negative externality for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very late to this party, so if anybody is still around and interested&#8230;</p>
<p>I work in a large classical music nonprofit org in a large city, in the finance department. And I have an MBA that included a very strong grounding in economic theory, from a school that demands rigorous empirical testing of theory (despite a reputation to the contrary). At my arts org, we have lots of unpaid interns, and the current situation is that it is nearly impossible to get a programming or artistic job, even entry level, without starting as an unpaid intern. We could probably afford to pay a couple interns, but not as many as we have (I&#8217;m the budget guy, I know this).</p>
<p>The person who might benefit from this legislation would be a person like I was when I graduated from college. Someone with pre-existing clerical skills, a degree in theater, therefore knowledge of the art, and heaping mounds of student loan debt. I was situationally poor then, and ended up going into temp office work that bored me to tears, which led to an accounting job and eventually an MBA and back into arts administration in the finance side rather than the creative side. So I&#8217;m not exactly fulfilled, and would have appreciated a minimum wage internship in the artistic or dramaturgy department of a theater, but I will survive. And I was forced to develop other skills that are potentially more lucrative than my current job.</p>
<p>The person who would not as likely be helped is the person who is systemically poor. Somebody who is poor because of urban blight, rural blight, or racism and had little chance to go to college (or at least a good one). No music education, therefore no internship at my organization (paid or unpaid). Going farther back, the person who is systemically poor had very few opportunities to study music intensely as a child, and it probably won&#8217;t be a surprise when I say that most of our administrators did. If you never studied music as a child, you certainly didn&#8217;t major in music if you got to college.</p>
<p>So, who is the legislation supposed to help? I hope it would be intended to help the systemically poor person. But the thing is, it can&#8217;t. If you want to increase access for the systemically poor, then you have to work on systemic issues. You have to help improve their arts education, their parents&#8217; involvement, their access to top college programs&#8230; This minimum wage floor isn&#8217;t going to help. It&#8217;s too little, too late. Maybe a few extraordinary people from such a background would be helped, but you can&#8217;t set policy for the extraordinary. And if the legislature is actually designed to help people like me who left college with too much debt to pursue the unpaid internship&#8230; well, I guess I could have said thank you. But in the end, there is probably more utility to society in my learning other skills.</p>
<p>There is one possibility, hinted at in one of Mr. Moss&#8217; comments, that organizations would see paid internships as an opportunity to fill their diversity hiring goals. That could be. And you only have to be a tiny bit cynical to perceive that if you use your lowest paid, least responsible positions as a relief valve for institutional diversity goals, you are actually doing a great disservice to yourself, your diversity goals, and the people you bring in as your token diverse individuals. Assuming race is one diversity vector here, this actually would reinforce institutional inferiority of people of color. There&#8217;s a negative externality for you.</p>
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